honoured to have here on whitemetal.it the only interview ever realised
with Anonymous, the founding father of the unblack metal with the
legendary project, Horde. This interview was made in September 2006 by
Erasmus from the unblack label Son Of Man Records. Nevertheless due to
the personal commitments irreconcilable with this activity, the label
stopped existing last year and also the official website where there was
the interview closed too. It will be a pity and a real crime losing this
invaluable document: that’s the reason why we have decided to show it
here to all the christian metal heads both in original version, both
translated in italian.
most of you know, I have never been a fan of Horde. A lot of my distaste
for him came from the countless Christian copy-cat artists that came
along behind him. Despite this, I felt that as the first unblack
project, his voice was one to be respected and taken into consideration
above the countless teenagers on internet forums. After having conducted
this interview with the Anonymous figure behind Horde, I have
gained a great deal of respect for both Horde as a project, and
Anonymous as an unblack soldier. We're both fairly busy people, so we
kept this interview short and focused.
There seems to be a great deal of confusion surrounding "Hellig Usvart"
and its original intention. Some are saying that "Hellig Usvart" was
never intended to be a sincere release, but is rather a parody which
pokes fun at the black metal scene. Care to shed some light on the
subject? Did you ever intend to mock black metal?
Within the black metal scene, watching all the way across the world, all
I could see was a bleak, dark, hopeless, lifeless and negative void. All
I wanted to do was to shine a light into that darkness. Give an
alternative that was comparable in sound to the scene I was trying to
infiltrate, to provide some hope, some light. That was all. No mockery,
parody, no jokes. I would never mock any style of music, nor would I
mock the musicians themselves. I have great respect for them. The music
of Immortal, Emperor, Dimmu Borgir, Satyricon, etc. is incredible,
masterful. One can still show respect, while disagreeing with certain
lyrical content. I wanted to remain unknown for as long as I could, to
sustain the mystery. I could not resist the similarity of Anonymous to
Euronymous, so, regardless of the existence of Euronymous, I was still
going to be known as Anonymous. Just a coincidence that both the words
were so similar. Also the reference to 'Unblack Mark' was a play on
'Black Mark Records' which is Bathory's label. This was the ONLY light
hearted element of the entire project.
With "Hellig Usvart" being released to shine a light in the darkness of
the black metal scene, how do you feel about the majority of the discs
currently being bought by Christians?
I guess it was bound to happen, although it was not really my original
intention for the album, however I'm just glad that people are being
blessed by it, so it's cool. I just wanted to go as far into the
darkness as I could with it. I knew that 'Hellig' was not going to
change the world, or that every person who bought a copy was going to
experience a radical life transforming conversion. That was never the
intention. The intention was to give hope and a Godly alternative to
those people that needed it. To give them truth, and then they can
decide how they wanted to proceed. That's why God gave us free will, He
NEVER pushes. Christians seem to push a lot, but He never does, we can
learn from that.
Have you heard any positive feed back from black metal kids, or heard of
your disc influencing anyone in a positive way?
I've heard a few stories, one story, of a person who was right into dark
things, black metal, witchcraft, etc... Heard 'Hellig' turned their life
around started going to church etc... that was pretty cool. I've not
really had a lot of correspondence with kids who have bought the disc.
Although I guess I'll find out when I leave this world.
Did you ever take the death threats in response to "Hellig Usvart"
I only ever heard about them second hand. I never personally received
ANY death threats at all, not one. I kept hearing but that was all. I
never feared for my life, and still don't. I mean, how many unblack
bands are in Norway?? Quite a few I would think. One Norwegian band even
got a black metal legend to play on an album BEFORE he found out they
were Christians. I mean if they got away with that, I've got nothing to
What specifically inspired the title "Hellig Usvart"?
I read on the back of an early Dark Throne album, 'Dark Throne play
Unholy Black Metal'. Horde was always going to be lyrically the opposite
of this, hence: 'Holy Unblack Metal'. I guess this
how the 'unblack' name or title came about. The music sounded like BM,
but because of the lyrics and the spirit behind it, it is not BM.
You chose 'Holy Unblack' rather than 'Holy Black'. Do you feel that
anti-Christian ideology was, at least originally, a fundamental element
of black metal? Do you think it is possible for Christian metal to be
I do NOT believe it is possible for Christian metal music to be truly
'black', no. I think it certainly helps the black metal cause if you
'hold to a Satanic ideology'. Black metal has changed and developed in
both sound and lyrically over the years, moving away from the simple
'Satanic' subject matter of it's early years, to the more poetic and
story-like lyrics of today. But still, the dark, grim, horrific
'anti-God' themes remain, and this, coupled with the higher pitched
shrill raspy vocals, the blast beats, and the unmistakable chainsaw
guitar sounds all merge to create the BM sound. But it is the sound and
the 'dark feeling' that truly defines what BM is, and the lyrics
contribute to this. True BM I believe, is without light, void of hope,
therefore Horde can never be classified as 'Holy Black'. Horde contains
lyrics in opposition to darkness. In my opinion, 'Holy Black' cannot
exist. Darkness disappears when light is present, the two cannot
Is there any significance behind the name 'Horde'?
I guess I wanted to use a name that signified like a 'horde' of angelic
beings or something like this. A large amassing of strength and power
surging toward an enemy, plus it was short and I was instantly able to
design a logo pretty easily.
Do you feel that the emphasis that has been placed on 'goat violence' by
those you have influenced fits with the original intention of your disc?
No, my thoughts did not include 'unblack formulas' during the writing
and recording process of 'Hellig Usvart' furthermore, I did not expect
the flood of bands that would go on to mimic what I was doing at the
time. Goat violence? That sounds pretty silly. If you refer to the song
'Crush the bloodied horns of the goat' the lines: 'goat of blasphemy,
satanic symbology' and 'symbolic representation of Satan' are used to
explain the so called 'goat violence'. This means to destroy the
'satanic symbolism' and the 'symbolic representation of Satan'. Images
of goats are commonly used to represent our enemy. So this over-emphasis
on 'goat violence' does not adhere to the lyrical themes of 'Hellig
Usvart', this is only one thematic aspect among many.
Do you feel that unblack metal will be able to efficiently continue its
response to black metal if it does not grow beyond 'horn crushing'?
No I do not. The lyrics on 'Hellig Usvart' were written 12 years ago.
I'm sure that if another Horde album was written today, the themes would
be quite different and much more mature, to counteract the poetic and
intelligent (albeit misguided) lyrics of modern BM.
How connected do you think Christians should be to the black metal
scene? A lot of projects are releasing discs now and calling that their
'ministry'. Do you feel that the responsibility ends there, or that they
should be involved in local scenes, going to shows, investing time into
local bm kids, etc? Or are there other things you think should be done?
RELATIONSHIP is what it's all about. If they believe they have a calling
to the BM scene, yeah, go to shows, hang out in record stores, go to
clubs, get in there and make friends with some pretty cool people. Just
because a person likes BM does not make them a ogre. Unless God
specifically says to someone 'go minster to BM kids' it could be
to stay away though, I'm talking about someone who has not had anything
to do with metal at all in their life. However, if you are a strong
believer, into metal, have been for a long time, and can relate, and if
you have a heart to be a true friend and brother to these dudes, then do
it. God will use you if you make yourself available, listen to Him and
It has been said recently that there is a difference between Christian
music and 'anti-Satan music'. Given the definition that's being used
currently, the only 'Christian' song on "Hellig Usvart" is Drink from
the chalice of blood. Do you feel that this is a fair assessment of
your (and other unblack) music? Was your album created with a Christian
mindset, or an 'anti-Satan' mindset?
No, that is not a fair assessment of 'Hellig Usvart' and I would
disagree that 'Drink from the Chalice of Blood' is the only 'Christian'
song on the album. There are many themes on the album including prophecy
- (Behold the rising of the scarlet moon, Thine hour hast come, An
abandoned grave, Total Armageddon Holocaust), freedom - (Release and
clothe), submission - (Silence the blasphemous chanting), obedience,
reverence - (Drink from the chalice, Invert the inverted cross). So the
album was created with a - prophetic, free, submissive, obedient,
reverent, anti-Satan and Christian mindset.
What are your feelings on the recent suicide of Dissection's Jon
Very sad. I guess if one REALLY loved life, would you really choose to
end it? I don't understand the reasoning behind the decision he made.
But that is the gift that was given to him, the gift of free will. You
really can do whatever you want to do in life, but there will always be
consequences for your actions. Only God and now Jon knows what exactly
those consequences were. I'm sure he will be missed.
Any final thoughts or statements?
Make the most of every opportunity that comes your way. Don't miss out
on the great things that God wants for you, He wants the BEST for you.
Look for it, thank Him for it and take it. Live every day like it is
your last. You never know, it could be.
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